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| There are cases that a person has 3 children but we don't have any information who is the oldest one, who is the second oldest one and who is the youngest one. In that case, the report generator still reports that one of them is the "Oldest" and the other one is the "youngest". This is a mistake!! I think that if there is no information about the year of birth of the entire siblings, and the "Children Order" feature on Genopro, has not been changed manually, this information should not be included in the report, because it is based on a random order that we add those children to the Genogram, and not based on facts.
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I agree displaying the child order is a mistake if the order is unknown. One solution could be a checkbox named Unknown Child Order.
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Forum Guru
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| I think that there is no need for a special checkbox. Only need to determine what is appropriate as far as the report is concerned: 1. If there are birth dates (or ages), that would determine child order 2. If a child order exists that would determine what is written in the report 3. Otherwise, simply state the names of the children (perhaps in alphabetical order), without reference to who is oldest and who is youngest.
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Somehow the report generator must know if the child order is valid. There is no way for the report generator to know about an invalid child order unless there is a property indicating the order of the children is unknown.
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Grand Master
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A suggestion: The Family object has two properties for children, Family.Children & Family.Children.Order. I believe that currently the latter is used when the children have been explicitly ordered manually. If it was also used when all dates of birth were present, then the report can be changed only to output details of each child's position if Children.Order was not empty.
'lego audio video erro ergo disco' or "I read, I listen, I watch, I make mistakes, therefore I learn"
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The tag Family.Children.Order is used internally by GenoPro as a helper to sort the children. The explicit order specified by Family.Children.Order takes precedence over the date of births of the children. The tag Family.Children.Order is typically empty if the children have valid date of births and nobody was adopted.
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Famous Writer
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| Another issue - If we know that a person has 3 children for sure, but we believe that he has another son, so we can mark the checkbox: "possibly more children", under the family properties. The report generator still reports that "A is oldest of three children" without saying that there is possible for more children to that family.
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Certainly the Report should not be presenting invalid information. It is better to have no information rather than incorrect information. I propose to change it such that the child rank statement is onlygenerated when Family.Children.Order is not empty and Family.FamilyLine is not set or is set to 'No More Children'.
This will have the side effect of not displaying the child rank even if all dates of birth are present unless the 'Change Children Order' dialogue is invoked under the 'Family Properties' Summary tab and the radio button beside 'Use the child order from the list below' is set.
'lego audio video erro ergo disco' or "I read, I listen, I watch, I make mistakes, therefore I learn"
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| The tag Family.Children.Order is used internally by GenoPro. The tag Family.Children.Order could be renamed to Family.Children.OrderExplicit to make things clearer. I would say 99% of families have a valid child order even if if | | | |